The IMA Q&A meeting was a really good one. A lot of discussion on a pile of different subjects. The meeting was in IMA Outpost Gamma on OpenSim Life Grid. The meeting happens in voice but also there is a lot of things going on in chat as well! Here is the chat transcript:
[13:24] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:24] Grid: Teleport completed from hop://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/IMA%20Outpost%20Alpha/109/90/25
[13:24] Grid: The region you have entered is running a different simulator version.
Current simulator: OpenSim 0.9.1.0 DEV_OSLMODv1 (Unix/Mono)
Previous simulator: OpenSim 0.8.3.0 Dev PLUS Metropolis Edition [018] (Unix/Mono)
[13:25] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Brian.Rutherford @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:25] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:27] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:27] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Mal.Burns @login.greatcanadiangrid.ca:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:28] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:28] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:29] Brian Rutherford: hi!. Aimee mentioned it's difficult getting into this sim at the moment
[13:29] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:30] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:30] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Douglas.Maxwell @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:30] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:30] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:31] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:31] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:31] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:31] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:31] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:31] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:32] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:32] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Lisa.Laxton @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:32] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: NEovo are you Dutch
[13:33] Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: ÆYes, I am. Sorry for my Dialect...
[13:33] dz ozb: i got my Raspberry Pi viewer working....as long as i dont render the scene
[13:33] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: LOL, Bills chair is hysterical!!
[13:33] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: no do not be sorry, one of our AvaCon team is Dutch, Frans, and I hear the similar dialect
[13:33] Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: :-)
[13:34] dz ozb: I just loaded Ubuntu MATE on a 2007 iMac.... it boots like a old dog, but runs like a champ
[13:34] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hello everyone! *waves* Long time, no see!
[13:35] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 chuckles
[13:35] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: I juggle between an Alienware PC, my macbook pro, and an imac depending on what I am doing
[13:35] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Love them...
[13:35] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: i pushed Jim McDermott through one last week
[13:35] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: great way to reach out and grab someone
[13:36] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: ha Lyr
[13:36] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: thanks
[13:36] Unknown UserUMMAU43: *waves* to Jamie
[13:36] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Steve LaVigne to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:36] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: was a smooth ride!
[13:37] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: right
[13:37] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: agrees!
[13:37] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: He said he probably couldn't make it today, I believe
[13:37] dz ozb: that was steve
[13:37] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Aimee.Weber @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:37] dz ozb: wb steve
[13:38] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 laughs
[13:38] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: great
[13:38] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: wb Steve -- unknown :)
[13:39] Unknown UserUMMAU43: Steve, I do not think you cannot hear Joyce
[13:39] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Dieter Heyne to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:39] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: thats really interesting -- pan controls perhaps
[13:40] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Steve LaVigne to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:40] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins and nods
[13:40] Brian Rutherford: try going to preferences > sound & media > Hear Voice equally from everyone
[13:40] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: that's good
[13:40] Douglas Maxwell: That's right.
[13:40] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hehe
[13:40] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: waves to Dieter!
[13:40] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:41] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 sips her hazelnut coffee and makes a moan of deilght
[13:41] Dieter Heyne: hi everyone :)
[13:41] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: That chair is cursed
[13:41] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hi Dieter!
[13:42] Unknown UserUMMAU43: Hi Dieter!
[13:42] Douglas Maxwell: SIGs?
[13:42] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hehe Dieter...too funny
[13:42] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: we have other chairs... that one seems to be reserved *grins*
[13:43] Dieter Heyne: I am cursed, it seems
[13:43] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: love it
[13:43] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: Nope you are the third person, got Jamie and I too!
[13:43] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: no, it will happen to all of us, I think
[13:43] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: see the sign on it
[13:43] dz ozb: wb Doug M
[13:44] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Doug's barkeep!
[13:44] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins
[13:44] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: grins
[13:44] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: sounds great, Steve
[13:45] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: frameworks will be helpful
[13:46] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: sounds good
[13:46] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: thanks, Steve!
[13:46] Steve LaVigne: I am not hearing Doug
[13:46] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: he's speaking
[13:46] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: he says we need a change for security
[13:46] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: encryption internally or client/server encryption
[13:46] Steve LaVigne: yes we do in big ways
[13:46] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: OTA or off the record speech
[13:47] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: the default inside the new client
[13:47] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: decisions you want to make to balance how much of a burden on the user advice, how secure, etc
[13:47] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:47] dz ozb: i hear 5x5 DougM
[13:48] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:48] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi ProfJim, the chair got you too
[13:48] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: its a trap
[13:48] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:48] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: One of the things I had difficulty with was the publishing of certificates. My Avast would not let me log into MOSES since Mike had not publised a security certificate. A simple fix, but needs to take place for the broader community, IMHO.
[13:49] Bill's Chair whispers: This is Bill's Chair
[13:49] Doug Maxwell: brainstorming session on the boundaries for security
medical sector wants a higher level of security for medical education and training
[13:49] Doug Maxwell: some want anonymity protected
protections so you can't tell what a source IP is from a client
[13:50] dz ozb: I think the base level of security applicable to all forms of grid is a mechanism to link scene objects to assets and a related license... thats the only way content IP is going to be "controllable" in any way.....
[13:51] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: nod
[13:51] dz ozb: building a bigger/better bridge next to the old wooden footbridge is always a plan.... they can come if they want
[13:51] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: the evolution of a connected set of grids that support everyone's needs will be work *grins*
[13:53] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:53] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: yes
[13:54] dz ozb: i think the baby step in that direction is maintaining a level of content "compatability"... realistically, the new web viewer protocols will prevent staying in one viewer to visiit grids based on the old OpenSim core platform
[13:54] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: welcome back, Steve!
[13:54] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:54] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Steve, we've been talking about security and opensim, finding a stable pathway yet a connected world
[13:56] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: LSL must die a horibble fiery nuclear death.
[13:56] Steve Franklin: Thank you! And Huzzah to Marcus!
[13:56] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: aww *laughs*
[13:57] Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: LLScript is'nt even 100% compatible with Opensim... I had a MediaPanel on SL which I had to debug and alter to get it working in OpenSim.
[13:57] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: is there a list somewhere of the working groups .. for those of us traying to jump in to what you have all been meeting on recently
[13:57] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: Philip Rosedale's HiFidelity is using J++ as the standard, vice LSL
[13:57] dz ozb: a standardized API connection to scene / physics events would make any labguage "functional
[13:57] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[13:57] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: perfect voice
[13:58] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: you sound great
[13:58] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hehe
[13:58] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: yes good
[13:58] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: Firestorm works
[13:58] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: there is Joyce, looking for link for you
[13:58] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: all vioces good
[13:58] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: http://infinitemetaverse.com/en/member-projects/working-groups
[13:58] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: ty Marcus
[13:58] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I'm still using Phoenix in Firestorm, Steve. I understand
[13:59] Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: So am I... :-)
[13:59] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: thank you Marcus
[13:59] Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: I Love Singu, but Hate the V2 and V3 viewers.
[13:59] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I was a HF Alpha, but haven't been in it in a while
[13:59] dz ozb: the high fidelity beta is am "experience"
[14:00] Vinhold Starbrook: In FS you can select viewer UI you like.
[14:00] dz ozb: but my expereince is that the Bandwith requirements are "extreme"
[14:00] Vinhold Starbrook: yes
[14:00] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: listened to philip's recent talk, thanks to Joey *grins*
[14:01] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Yes, space, too
[14:01] Unknown UserUMMAU43: FYI here are the IMA working groups: http://infinitemetaverse.com/en/member-projects/working-groups
[14:01] dz ozb: The business model is one we should examine carefully though...... a central organization, but the grid is hosted/carried by the user community
[14:01] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: still pioneering
[14:01] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: i had to reinstall several times in one day
[14:02] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: yes
[14:02] dz ozb: I think that if we model the IMA as our "central authority" we could benefit from the distributed designs they are implementing
[14:02] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: Philip Rosedale@highfidelity = Steve Jobs@Next
[14:02] Douglas Maxwell: SA Photonics
[14:02] Steve Franklin: yes there needs to be one central place to work out the craziness
[14:03] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: plus the leap motion
[14:03] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hav a bunch of gear that needs updating
[14:03] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: for interaction and motion capture
[14:03] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: gesture interaction
[14:03] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: i have a 3D TV *grins*
[14:03] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: but I may not be normal
[14:03] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: active leneses, too *laughs*
[14:03] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: We need an Hdeck in the real world
[14:03] Steve Franklin: I have one but never use it that way
[14:04] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: true, Jim
[14:04] Brian Rutherford: People prefer to multi-task. VR requires your full attention and that's a tough sell.
[14:04] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and it is coming
[14:04] dz ozb: the takeup of the headsets is going to be a HUGE and growing demand for 3d content.... If you can get ahead of a standard mechanism to commoditoze and deliver a "library" of content you will be in a very good place
[14:04] Steve Franklin: yes exactly
[14:04] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: Projected Holograms ---or augmented reality
[14:05] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: agree with that
[14:05] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Love this, but need to save up... full motion capture suits https://www.rokoko.com/en/
[14:05] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: Exactly!
[14:05] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: so true, tho i'd wear this one
[14:05] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: Doug that is true
[14:05] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[14:05] Steve Franklin: yes
[14:05] Steve Franklin: We still have our meat suits!
[14:05] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: mobile motion capture *drools*
[14:05] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: That Rokoko suit looks absolutrely fabulous.
[14:05] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Bill Blight to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[14:05] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: Heya Bill
[14:05] Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: For me for instance, 3D is absolutely unworkable due to my visual impairment.
[14:05] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 wipes the drool off of Marcus's suit
[14:05] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: lol
[14:06] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: E-systems had a great room using polarized lenses like Avatar used but in 1996
[14:06] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: What they could do was amazing
[14:06] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I've been looking for affordable MoCap for eons. I just can't animate from scratch... don't have the knack.
[14:06] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: i have that problem, Neovo... vision issues... my oculus sits as a result, but some support visual aids
[14:06] Steve Franklin: Welcome Bill!
[14:06] dz ozb: its the man who owns the chair.... wb Bill
[14:06] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: surprising, Marcus, considering you create video with blender. You've used Daz, I take it?
[14:06] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: I sat in a totally visually accurate car
[14:07] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: well one of your cars Doug, dont you also have a sportier one
[14:07] Douglas Maxwell: well, I'm a weak man Joyce. I have 4
[14:07] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hehe
[14:07] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: right
[14:07] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: it is exhausting
[14:07] Steve Franklin: I won't get into the car thing right now here!
[14:07] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: right
[14:08] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 smiles and nods
[14:08] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: Build the interface into every home
[14:08] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I have, but I found Daz cumbersome. The video animation I've done in blender is much simpler... simply moving a camera just involves keyframes with bezier curves.
[14:08] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: Mental exhaustion
[14:08] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hehe, the fact that you know that sounds like you have mastered a few challenges
[14:08] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: ha Doug, I knew there were at least 2
[14:08] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: keyframes in avastar, too
[14:09] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: right
[14:09] Douglas Maxwell: it is mentally challenging to constantly be compensating for aggregated errors in the presentation
[14:10] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: Tech is converging
[14:10] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I just suck at animation. LOL! Even with a nice IK rig, I just don't produce ones that looks natural. So MoCap is appealing.
[14:10] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: That part is apparent
[14:10] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Rosa.Alekseev @grid.kitely.com:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[14:10] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: prior to 1995, 45% of the subjects who used expensive, well-designed (for the time) head-mounted stereoscopic display devices had motion sickness, nausea or extreme side effects, and for up to 24 hours later We've gotten much better, but visual comfort, user comfort and the desire to get beyond the wearable remains
[14:11] Steve Franklin: Welcome Rosa!
[14:11] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hi Rosa!
[14:11] ProfJim.Merlin @grid.kitely.com:8002: Cyn--exactly
[14:11] Rosa.Alekseev @grid.kitely.com:8002: tk u Steve
[14:11] Rosa.Alekseev @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Lyr
[14:11] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Rosa! Interesting Cyn, 24 hour sideeffect, yikes
[14:11] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 smiles and waves
[14:11] Rosa.Alekseev @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi all good evening
[14:11] Rosa.Alekseev @grid.kitely.com:8002: heya SG:-*
[14:12] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: yes, when I was working on my Institutional review board application, a legal team needed a year to review it before approval
[14:12] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: was hard... we've gotten much better, but aren't there yet
[14:12] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: i was a little shocked at the cross-eyed lack of focus common in some of the recent HMDs.
[14:13] dz ozb: I think one of the reasons I enjoyed working with MOSES was that there was more than a whiff of "engineering" involved in directing the project..... HF reminds me too much of the OpenSim Core group.....where people are ALWAYS going to go in thier own direction and "see what sticks".... but some degree of Planning and posting a "roadmap" is way more productive....
[14:13] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: but glad to hear that they feel that they have an answer to it
[14:13] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: address it
[14:14] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: HF is leveraging crowd sourcing of ideas and content, evaluation and testing... it is a nice approach, but at some point, you need a stable service to sustain a world
[14:14] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: that was a great talk
[14:16] Unknown UserUMMAU43: Ah yes, https://improbable.io/
[14:16] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 simles
[14:17] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: there are also several others creating association / standards type groups in the metaverse including the Virtual World Society http://virtualworldsociety.org and the Immersive Technology Alliance https://ita3d.com/
[14:17] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: i support this
[14:18] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: Right now SL is the primary source of viewer development coordination.
[14:18] Unknown UserUMMAU43: Good to know Joyce, IMA had a representative from VW Society recently. I had not heard of ITA3d
[14:19] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: any viewer compatable with the present server is going to be a limitation that cannot be dragged into the "new world" the HTML/web client with a protocal redesign is the ONLY way to overcome a HUGE number of IP limitations
[14:19] Unknown UserUMMAU43: Slidewave: https://www.slidewave.com/
[14:19] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: The Core Opensim group is going to have NO reason to re-design on the scale required to accomodate new protocols
[14:20] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: the thing I tried to inject was: HF/io is using J++ as their standard vice LSL; so perhaps using a more widely accepted industry standard like J++ is the right direction for developing that "standard viewer"
[14:21] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: I agree with Marcus, we need an industry standard on the viewer sided as well.
[14:21] Unknown UserUMMAU43: Fleep (Chris Collins) is a chair of the Internet 2 Research network for the Metaverse Working Group VR-AR
[14:21] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: yes, and when we began talking to ITA, we talked with them on having a Metaverse working group with them too
[14:21] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: the protocalls HAVE to change
[14:21] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: yes
[14:21] Bill Blight: The other problem, from the public community viewpoint, is comfort .. The "Public" is comfortable, with the type of viewer we use, even in it's many flavors .. If you change it too much you loosed the comfort factor. And regardless of all the important things that the industry may need without public acceptance you again have solved half the problem.
[14:22] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: and yes, look at the Internet Society (ISOC) too
[14:22] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: totally agree Doug
[14:23] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: thats a point that isnt undestood well
[14:23] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: lol.. we dont have virtual bar peanuts sadly
[14:23] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: ;)
[14:23] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: the server HAS to be modularlized and that is going to PREVENT using a modern viewer with the existing SL/Opensim based platforms
[14:24] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: Not just compatibility with the viewer, but compatibility with content, as so much content here is ported over by content creators who have established skillsets and inventory of content that is a significant investment.
[14:24] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Exactly
[14:24] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: This is why I think Phil Rosedale is being bold in trying something "entirely different" ... If he is successful in launching HF, then that will be an alternative platform (with 3D I/O) to consider investing in.
[14:25] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: having to rewrite every single script is a huge barrier to bootstrapping the virtual economy.
[14:25] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002 high fives Marcus
[14:25] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Marcus: The viewer is open source like Android is open source... *grins*
[14:26] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: it is also VITAL to expanding the DSG servers
[14:26] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Gavin.Hird
Gavin is a Kokua (formerly Imprudence) viewer developer
[14:26] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hi Gavin! *waves*
[14:27] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Hi Gavin! Welcome!
[14:27] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi Gavin
[14:27] Bill Blight: Thanks for coming on short notice Gavin
[14:28] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Gavin!
[14:28] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi everyone
[14:28] Bill Blight: I think one of the most desired features is floating windows that can be floated outside the main viewport
[14:29] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: +1 Bill
[14:29] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: I think a lot of folks here may not be familiar with the MOSES roadmap that drops SL/Core comapatbility
[14:29] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: *smiles* we will provide an update on the MOSES Web-based viewer dev soon
[14:30] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I think that a ton of people outside of MOSES are ineterested in the progess of the web client, but haven't heard/seen much about it.
[14:30] Bill Blight: I guess Gavin could not stay ...
[14:30] Mal.Burns @login.greatcanadiangrid.ca:8002: are you hearing voice Gavin?
[14:30] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: yes I want to put out an article on that
[14:30] Bill Blight: it is late for him
[14:30] Douglas.Maxwell @hypergrid.org:8002: I took a beating last fall with the Open Sim community, so we went silent for a while
[14:31] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: user interface design, yes
[14:31] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Use cases are an excellent place to map needs
[14:31] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: we need to be clear that the "web viewer" is intended to be used with the new halcyon based server design and that it is NOT intended to support access to any grid that exists today
[14:32] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Doug M is referring to VBS3 https://bisimulations.com/virtual-battlespace-3
[14:32] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Looking forward to update on web client -- I have lots of info on Dieter's operational web-world.
[14:32] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: and info from Crista's site on the OnLook viewer and some of this concepts we are talking on http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/onlook-viewer/
[14:33] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[14:33] Bill Blight: Welcome back Gavin
[14:34] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: TY
[14:34] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: thanks DougM
[14:34] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: take care, Doug! thanks!
[14:34] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Thanks Doug!
[14:34] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: Ty Doug, tc
[14:34] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: thanks Doug
[14:34] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hi Gavin!
[14:34] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Great to see you!
[14:35] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 nods
[14:35] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Yes
[14:35] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: maybe ask in local chat?
[14:35] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: in case hhe isnt
[14:35] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Welcome *grins*
[14:35] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I'm not sure what was last said is correct
[14:35] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: good point...
[14:35] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: so going forward, there is some compatibility or?
[14:35] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Gavin, please share your thoughts
[14:35] Bill Blight: About SL removing legacy code?
[14:36] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: The issue about compatibility with the Linden code has to do with their infrastructure and not content as such
[14:36] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 nods
[14:37] Bill Blight: Do it is connector code not content code that has had a major change?
[14:37] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Marcus & Joyce, is that ASU or UofAZ? for the Compugirls?
[14:37] Bill Blight: *So
[14:37] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: https://cgest.asu.edu/compugirls
[14:37] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Thanks!
[14:38] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I have to go --- very useful discussion
[14:38] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: bye Selby!
[14:38] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Bye Selby!
[14:38] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: Bye Selby!
[14:39] Rosa.Alekseev @grid.kitely.com:8002: Selby ni ni
[14:40] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 drops a pin. :D
[14:40] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: :)
[14:41] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: Making very nice avatars is not easy and takes either making or buying excellent parts to assemble them. If you dont have good parts, you less than good results.
[14:41] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: dropping for me too
[14:41] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: is any one specking now in the background?
[14:42] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: beware Vivox will make some major changes to their client and server software
[14:42] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so all of OpenSim risk loosing voice
[14:42] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Oh soon Gavin?
[14:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: The current server software has gaping holes in it
[14:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sercurity wise
[14:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so they are completely changing the code for the SL videwer
[14:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and the new code will NOT work on Linux
[14:44] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and all old viewers will not work
[14:44] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: For class, it sure is helpful tho
[14:44] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: imagine typing everything and trying to be super fast while demonstrating how to design, build, etc. in a class of 20+ folks
[14:44] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: (takes me back to 2005!
[14:45] Aimee.Weber @hypergrid.org:8002: aloha folks!
[14:45] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: havw a great weekend everybody
[14:45] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I type fast, but the cognitive load when in dynamic sessions would be hard to do by text
[14:45] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: bye Aimee
[14:45] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: have a great weekend, Jamie!
[14:45] Rosa.Alekseev @grid.kitely.com:8002: tk Jamie
[14:45] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Aloha! *grins*
[14:46] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: depending on voice is a real problem if you need to accomodate "alter-abled" members of the community.... the only "solution" is something that does TTS and STT for those who require it.
[14:46] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Good to know
[14:46] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: the cloud solutions are coming soon
[14:47] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Yes that is part of what IMA is needing to deal with
[14:47] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: surprising
[14:47] Bill Blight: doesn't radegast offer a TTS plugin
[14:47] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: there havent been any voices in the developers circles pushing it
[14:48] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: IMA HAS to be the organization the pushes "useability issues" across the platforms
[14:48] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: IMA HAS to be the organization the pushes "useability issues" across the platforms
[14:48] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Sounds to me like it is happy hour time! Either that or more coffee is needed *smiles*
[14:48] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: sorry I lost voice
[14:48] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Steve is talking about Speech to text, Evan
[14:48] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and how we need it...
[14:49] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: discussing YouTube and a Ted talk by a lady who was deaf
[14:49] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and did research for people with disabilities...talked about a potato slicer... big handle, really comfortable
[14:49] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: the best she had... same concept for thinking about usability
[14:49] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: easy and granular
[14:49] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: basic business requirements.... YOU HAVE to be able to produce a transcript of ANY legal proceedings.... IUnless you plan to record all audio .... Voice NEEDS to be translated and correcteable idf people are going to do business on the platform
[14:49] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Barbara is speaking next...can you hear her?
[14:49] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: yes!
[14:50] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: 3D printing and the 3D prosthetic arms
[14:50] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: less expensive, for particular users with particular needs
[14:50] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Evan, can you hear? *smiles*
[14:51] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: a design challenge that we could come up with (barbara says)
[14:51] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and Steve's problem with firestorm for usability issues
[14:51] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: IT isnt a disability issue
[14:51] Bill Blight: I would have to say, I am all for adding or creating specific support for particular disabilities .. But on that note, you have to do it with out creating a heavier load for the people that don't need those features ... It is very difficult to give to one without taking from the others ...
[14:51] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: We all have our own "disabilities" not necessarily offical or formal ones, but unique to us
[14:51] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: Firestorm can be customized in how you like it. At least in the V% mode.
[14:51] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: its a basic need for a business platform
[14:51] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: V5
[14:51] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: I encourage you to reach out to Gentle Heron / Virtual Ability to look for whatever resources, insight, and research of Universal Design Principals
[14:51] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I think that he means preferences, Dz
[14:52] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: our unique way of using the viewer
[14:52] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and sharing this experience
[14:52] Bill Blight: FS5 , umm my text is HUGE
[14:52] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: mine is too
[14:52] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Steve's on a tiny mac *teases*
[14:52] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: there is NO REASON for it to be a module... IT is a basic requiremnt
[14:52] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Gentle is on our Advisory board
[14:52] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: *dodges an elbow*
[14:52] Bill Blight: and he is on that SINGLE viewer ... :P
[14:53] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Hey at least the audio works here!
[14:53] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Bill's point is very valid that accommodating some should not impede others.
[14:53] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: How much efffort are you guys willing to invest in getting the "ideal" viewer?
[14:54] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: if you want to be a business platform... you have to be able to provide a transcript.... it shouldnt require a HUGE process to produce Proceedings of conferences.... or even a working meeting....
[14:54] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: which is?
[14:54] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: such a good question, Gavin
[14:55] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: In my estimage to rewrite a viewer completely to work on iOS, the effort is about 10 manyears
[14:55] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and that is the effort you need to invest to get a new modular viewer
[14:56] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: yes I think you are right. If we can get ten people working on it it will only take a year
[14:56] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: the MOSES direction for viewer development is HTML5.... they do NOT plan to 'port' any existing viewer code
[14:56] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: yes that viewer has nothing in common with any viewer out out now
[14:56] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Yiu HAVE to port existing viewer code unless ylou want to redo all content
[14:57] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: yes
[14:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is not possible to recreate the content without using the currrent viewer code
[14:57] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: they arent planning for full content comapatability
[14:57] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: We may be able to have some UCF-UC Irvine NSF grants
[14:57] IMA Outpost Gamma: Welcome Rosa.Alekseev @grid.kitely.com:8002 to IMA Outpost Gamma
Lot's of stuff here.
Please Give it time to rez.
Thank You
[14:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: even getting some of it up you have to sue the current code
[14:57] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: they have a Content transfer "process" to convert existing scenes into the new formats
[14:58] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: primitives, anumations, mesh, skeleton, avatar, morph targets, skinning system
[14:58] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: system clothes
[14:58] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: I think we need both approaches
[14:59] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: That is the current roadmap of MOSES... they are not implementing in-world building capabilites in the new viewer
[14:59] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Students need to make and model stuff to become adaptable thinkers
[14:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: if you don't want content compatibility you can just start fresh with something like wifi
[14:59] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: some rudimentary way of modeling our ideas and for students to create projects, for game designs, etc.
[14:59] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: yes, that is the one factor that made SL popular was the easy way to make content.
[14:59] Bill Blight: Yeah I don't think IMA as a whole should favor ANY specific fork as a whole, but each WG could support whatever they want ... IMA kind of needs to be Virtual World Agnostic , correct me if I am wrong
[15:00] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: MOSES has started fresh and removed 95% of the viewer required code from the scene server
[15:00] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: I agree with that completely
[15:00] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: I agee with Bill.
[15:01] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Building crudely is a great education approach and professional mesh builds are great for training
[15:01] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: I think the first step for IMA should be as a "curator" of a library of content that they provide to multiple platforms...
[15:01] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Yes, good plan!
[15:01] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: What I agreed with is bill above on VW agnostic
[15:02] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: for the current "flavor" grids.... you could provide an assett server where content appears in a library folder.... and provided/licensed to grid owners
[15:02] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: that is an idea
[15:03] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: that decision has already been made in the MOSES community
[15:03] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: FYI- getting back to the accessibility topic- in the US, this org has the lead on interfaces http://trace.umd.edu/itrerc
[15:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: who is your target audience?
[15:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: cause if you don't want to take advantage of current content, you'd better start with a much mor modern technical platform
[15:04] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: For viewer design Gavin?
[15:04] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Gavin, that's a real plate of spaghetti. We have acedemics and researchers, militarym education, social experiences... these all have different needs, tools, and UIs.
[15:04] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Marcus said what i was going to say
[15:05] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: @ Gavin.. that project has already been started... the MOSES halcyon platform is MOST likely to be rebuilt from scratch as a native linux app
[15:05] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Sounds like authoring tool with decision support that relies on connected assets Mark
[15:06] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: Yes, with an existing library of decent basic content for getting started
[15:06] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: yes
[15:06] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: I think of that as part of a toolkit
[15:06] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Start a Working group! Or join one!
[15:06] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: the platform is designed to support a "static" scene with interactive objects
[15:07] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: Ask for a demo.... MOSES has a working prototype
[15:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and the pace of change has increased significantly over the last 2 years
[15:07] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: I have not seen that yet
[15:07] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Been wanting to see that
[15:07] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: is the simplified viewer Doug was talking about with 6 buttons available to the public?
[15:08] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Not yet that I know of
[15:08] Bill Blight: The problem with any of the forks, in my personal opinion is , while they may work for their niche business models, it is going to be very hard to get public acceptance if it is too far gone from existing platforms ...
[15:08] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: I beleive the viewr DougM was talking about was a derivative of Christas viewer... they just "turned off" the menus and added a HUD to all the pre-created" avatars
[15:08] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: I think that number is based solely on those who sell on marketplace. I created tons of content in SL but never sold on marketplace.
[15:09] Bill Blight: (and if people don't know I am the community focused , public use person here)
[15:09] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: yes statistics are sometimes problematic
[15:09] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Thank you Bill!
[15:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but even if only 10% is "real" content creators, the rest of the 1 million regular users are content creators too
[15:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: because they create from the ready made content
[15:10] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: Thats not the use case for MOSES... the soldirers they are training are never going to be content creators.... whether you agreee or not... they are going to be deloying a new platform and demoing a web based viewer while OpenSim core is twiddling thier thumbs
[15:10] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: I've been advocating that there be a sort of Mesh baker, that uses a few tools from blender to optimize linksets and convert them to mesh. About 60-80% of the optimization I do to linksets in Blender can be automated.
[15:10] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: +1 Gavin
[15:10] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Yes Gavin
[15:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: made by the 10% to create their world
[15:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and to do that you need to be able to support current content fully
[15:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: in tghe viewer
[15:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the*
[15:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Did you ever revisit the experiences from the version 2 viewer . basic mode?
[15:11] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: I think that at least with OS even if we have a HTML5 viewer there will still be a big need for a regular viewer app
[15:12] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: I agree with Mal
[15:12] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: I look at the HTML5 viewer as a way to get more acceptance of VW and have easy entrance in the beginning
[15:13] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: We can add more usability as we go along
[15:13] Bill Blight: I agree with steve I think the web viewer could be used as a transitional , introduction tool.
[15:13] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but the issue is not just having basic creation tools, but to be able to render the entire range of content
[15:13] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: the html viewer capability os going t o open the headset market of users.... the economy of that is going to overwhelm the "desire" to have a viewer that supports in-world vieweing...
[15:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: otherwise the experience will be like logging in to SecondLife with a viewer that does not support mesh
[15:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: very incomplete
[15:14] Steve.Franklin @hypergrid.org:8002: Gavin- I don't see that out of the gate but down the road a bit all that can happen as browsers get more capability
[15:17] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: the "security" reasons are code words for the design protocol that transfers IP off network... If you want "controllable IP/content you HAVE to re-design and start over with the viewer
[15:18] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hehe
[15:19] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I've been archiving notes from today's meetings, organizing my thoughts
[15:19] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and studying next steps
[15:19] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: yes
[15:19] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: the VRT book faire was such fun
[15:19] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: So totally agree Cyn!
[15:19] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: Opensim hasnr been able to implement simple scene object transfer permissions in a very long time... expecting the to re-design the protocols in a manner acceptable to "make the platform tolerable for ANY businesses is (IMHO) a pipe-dream
[15:20] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: identity matters *smiles*
[15:20] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I didn't realize how much
[15:21] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: I miss Lyr's classes!
[15:22] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins
[15:22] Bill Blight: Speaking from the end-user, public , not big ORG side, the reason we are here even having this discussion is because of PUBLIC opensource desire .. Let us not forget that ..
[15:22] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: Cyn do you feel like removing that identity and using emoticons or something else would remove that issue...or would it lessen the investment?
[15:23] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: lessen the connection of the student?
[15:23] dz.ozb @hypergrid.org:8002: being able to TP between worlds with no content isnt a future.... you HAVE to accomodate IP
[15:23] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: BACON?
[15:24] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: i emote like a madwoman, Yvonne
[15:24] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and spell them out for clarity for my students of all age groups, nationalities and preferences
[15:24] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: thanks a lot and have a great weekend
[15:24] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: as many do not know smilies
[15:24] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: DZ - you have a point. A standard content service is something that needs looiking into
[15:24] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: removing identity makes some folks uncomfortable... not recognizing their personal needs
[15:25] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I do have some who come to class as robots
[15:25] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: but they still have a sense of identity and preferences
[15:26] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Nice!!!
[15:26] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: A fun working conference :)
[15:27] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: Foundations to a good building has to be built correctly to support the intended structure. That is what is taking place now first the server, next the grids, then a marketplace.
[15:27] Dieter Heyne: NO MONEY - NO MUSIC :p
[15:27] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: We should get some more grant developers too
[15:27] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: Youre right Dieter
[15:28] Bill Blight: <<-- President of a 501(c)3 you don't need to tell me about paperwork
[15:29] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: LOL! Understand Bill!
[15:29] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: There has to be something to show before you will get anyone to provide funding.
[15:30] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Happy happy happy! Joy joy joy!
[15:30] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Thank you Bill! Appreciate the hospitality
[15:30] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: ok great
[15:31] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: A hypergrid working fun group *smiles*
[15:31] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: and thank you Barbara for taking this over.. shall be great I am sure
[15:32] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 claps heartily for Barbara Doowangle!
[15:32] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: It is an honor to lead the new MOSES effort. Thank you all!
[15:32] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: And the IMA grids. I am about to find out if the test grid will start...
[15:32] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: we used it at au metaverse
[15:33] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: bye bye
[15:33] Joyce.Bettencourt @grid.avacon.org:8002: and if you are interested in space on our AvaCon grid, info is here https://www.avacon.org/blog/events/free-virtual-land-for-social-good-organizations/
[15:33] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: Thanks for hosting Steve
[15:33] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: ty
[15:33] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: bye
[15:33] Art.Blue @hypergrid.org:8002: good luck
[15:33] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: bye everone
[15:33] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: steve, i have minutes for you
[15:33] Rosa.Alekseev @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye bye and nice to meet u all that i hadnt meet yet very productive
[15:33] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: bye bye
[15:33] Delightful.Doowangle @hypergrid.org:8002: Take care!
[15:33] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: see you all next time
[15:33] Vinhold.Starbrook @hypergrid.org:8002: lol!
[15:34] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: darn, I left all my dance anims in SL!
[15:35] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: Have a good weekend everyone!
[15:36] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: wow, sorry to hear that Joyce, hope you feel better soon
[15:37] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: O.o milkshake diet!
[15:37] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: goodnight all! I must get back to work. Have a great evening!
[15:37] Bill Blight: yeah yeah likely story singer
[15:38] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: grid wont' let me leave
[15:38] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: :) love how you have us dance on the bar on exit! :p
[15:38] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: night all. waves and poofs!
[15:38] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: Goo night all!
[15:38] Evan.Emerald @grid.kitely.com:8002: Good night all!
[15:38] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: lol claims that the kitely welcome center doesn't exist
[15:38] SingerGirl.XOXOXO @grid.kitely.com:8002: i had trouble with KWC earlier too
[15:38] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: oh lol nice IMA in the terrain
[15:39] Mike.Lorrey @grid.kitely.com:8002: I used to put a BNT in the terrain in all my SL regions
